[Refdb-devel] CVS vs. Subversion

[Markus Hoenicka]

Hi,

I don't know how many RefDB users ever try to build from CVS. I guess
there are some, and this message is relevant to those as well as to
all developers.

SourceForge has ongoing problems with their CVS servers. This
currently prevents me from finishing the next prerelease and from
adding a new RefDB application (soon to be announced). The Subversion
servers seem to work ok. It is up to the project admin (read: up to
me) to migrate the CVS repository to Subversion. I'm not in a hurry to
do this, and I'd like to get your opinions first. Would the move to
Subversion break anything? I'm afraid the refdb-cvs scripts would need
an overhaul. Let me know what you think.

If you don't know Subversion yet, just go to

http://subversion.tigris.org/

to read more about this CVS replacement.

regards,
Markus

[Daniel O'Donnell]

I've never used CVS so I can't compare it to SVN, but I am really happy
with SVN which I use all the time.

-d

Post by Markus Hoenicka
Hi,
I don't know how many RefDB users ever try to build from CVS. I guess
there are some, and this message is relevant to those as well as to
all developers.
SourceForge has ongoing problems with their CVS servers. This
currently prevents me from finishing the next prerelease and from
adding a new RefDB application (soon to be announced). The Subversion
servers seem to work ok. It is up to the project admin (read: up to
me) to migrate the CVS repository to Subversion. I'm not in a hurry to
do this, and I'd like to get your opinions first. Would the move to
Subversion break anything? I'm afraid the refdb-cvs scripts would need
an overhaul. Let me know what you think.
If you don't know Subversion yet, just go to
http://subversion.tigris.org/
to read more about this CVS replacement.
regards,
Markus

--
Daniel Paul O'Donnell
Associate Professor and Acting Chair
Director, Digital Medievalist Project
<http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/>
Department of English
University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4
Canada

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[David Mundie]

I've used both and think you should immediately switch to Subversion
and never look back.

- dam

Post by Daniel O'Donnell
I've never used CVS so I can't compare it to SVN, but I am really happy
with SVN which I use all the time.
-d

Post by Markus Hoenicka
Hi,
I don't know how many RefDB users ever try to build from CVS. I guess
there are some, and this message is relevant to those as well as to
all developers.
SourceForge has ongoing problems with their CVS servers. This
currently prevents me from finishing the next prerelease and from
adding a new RefDB application (soon to be announced). The Subversion
servers seem to work ok. It is up to the project admin (read: up to
me) to migrate the CVS repository to Subversion. I'm not in a
hurry to
do this, and I'd like to get your opinions first. Would the move to
Subversion break anything? I'm afraid the refdb-cvs scripts would need
an overhaul. Let me know what you think.
If you don't know Subversion yet, just go to
http://subversion.tigris.org/
to read more about this CVS replacement.
regards,
Markus

--
Daniel Paul O'Donnell
Associate Professor and Acting Chair
Director, Digital Medievalist Project
<http://www.digitalmedievalist.org/>
Department of English
University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge AB T1K 3M4
Canada
Vox [phone]
Fax [phone]
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[Markus Hoenicka]

Hi,

I gather from this feedback that no one has to stick with CVS. I'll go
ahead and migrate the CVS repository to Subversion in the near future.

Before I do this, I'd like to clean up the repository a bit. Most
important, I'd like to fold back the stable branch to the trunk as the
latter has turned out to be sort of a dead end. But in order to do
this cleanup, and in order to check my local changes I'll have to wait
until the SourceForge CVS service online again. I'll let you know when
the migration is done.

regards,
Markus

Post by David Mundie
I've used both and think you should immediately switch to Subversion
and never look back.
- dam

Post by Daniel O'Donnell
I've never used CVS so I can't compare it to SVN, but I am really happy
with SVN which I use all the time.

[Michael(tm) Smith]

Post by Markus Hoenicka
I gather from this feedback that no one has to stick with CVS. I'll go
ahead and migrate the CVS repository to Subversion in the near future.
Before I do this, I'd like to clean up the repository a bit. Most
important, I'd like to fold back the stable branch to the trunk as the
latter has turned out to be sort of a dead end. But in order to do
this cleanup, and in order to check my local changes I'll have to wait
until the SourceForge CVS service online again. I'll let you know when
the migration is done.

Note that SF has a "Site Status" page that they don't do a very
good job of advertising. There's a "Recent Updates" section on
that page that gives details about the CVS outage -

http://sourceforge.net/docs/A04/#section1

Their estimate appears to be that they'll have the CVS service
available again late Tuesday night or early Wednesday morning.

The description of the "single point of failure" architecture of
the CVS service doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the
long-term stability of the service. Even before this outage, it
has been pretty spotty all along anyway -- inaccessible
intermittently for short periods (and relatively long ones too).

Anyway, it definitely provides some additional incentive to move
to their Subversion service instead. Some wags have even suggested
that the outage was carefully planned to scare project admins away
from the CVS service and over to the Subversion service (because
the CVS service is a drain on support resources and they want to
minimize the number of projects using it). I only wish I thought
they were quite that smart.

--Mike

[Markus Hoenicka]

Post by Michael(tm) Smith
Their estimate appears to be that they'll have the CVS service
available again late Tuesday night or early Wednesday morning.

Thanks, it's good to have an estimate.

Post by Michael(tm) Smith
The description of the "single point of failure" architecture of
the CVS service doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the
long-term stability of the service. Even before this outage, it
has been pretty spotty all along anyway -- inaccessible
intermittently for short periods (and relatively long ones too).

I noticed that too. This was one of the most annoying problems of SF so far.

Post by Michael(tm) Smith
Anyway, it definitely provides some additional incentive to move
to their Subversion service instead. Some wags have even suggested
that the outage was carefully planned to scare project admins away
from the CVS service and over to the Subversion service (because
the CVS service is a drain on support resources and they want to
minimize the number of projects using it). I only wish I thought
they were quite that smart.

Actually I figured that too, but I thought I was just paranoid.

Thanks
Markus